herethestoryends:

transsexualferox:

musiconatree:

herethestoryends:

amydentata:

herethestoryends:

I am NOT a fucking bigot

When calling out cissexism, racism, sexism, take your pick, it is not about what the person IS. It’s about what they DID. It’s not about labeling the person, it’s about recognizing the damage their actions have caused.

Fine, except I took no other action except to question the accusation against Gaga based purely upon her set of first comments, while agreeing that her second were out of line. How exactly is that a bigoted action? If anything, I was being prejudiced against.

I’ve read all of the articles you’ve linked to. I don’t see how any of this is directly points to transphobia, actually it barely even hints to it. I believe that you all are reading too much into this, for fear of the LGBTQ (especially the transgered and gender queer members) community being attacked by bigots as it constantly is. Truly, though, not everyone wants to bring this community down, and you need to turn off the apparent sensitivity to those first comments. The second one was definitely out of line. I do have to say, though, that all of your comments against herethestoryends (my good friend) were quite bigoted in their assumptions that she doesn’t “understand what it’s like” and all of this other bullshit. She’s a huge supporter of everyone in the community, and is not a sexist by any stretch of the imagination. And I will use the term “sexist” as a blanket term for anyone who hates a certain gender, not made up “politically correct” terms. All of this unnecessary flaming of Deb’s (herethestoryends) character could be referred to as “making a mountain out of a molehill”, and it’s damn ridiculous. All she wanted to be able to do was share her educated opinion with everyone else’s, and you shot her down before even giving her a chance, all because of your preconceived notions that everyone who does not share your exact opinion on this matter is a bigot. And, though it is justifiable by the enormous amount of adversity any of you have had to go through, it just isn’t right. Do not for even one second believe that your experience of discrimination and hate is isolated and completely unique to you or the members of any community. Its severity is heightened immensely, true, but every single fucking human being has gone through something of this nature in their lives, and this experience makes us all connected. We should celebrate this, and “compare scars” (for lack of a better term), not to let everyone else know that life has been harder on us specifically, but to tell the other sufferers that they aren’t alone, even if their experience is drastically different and much less severe, also giving them some perspective on their own situation, and vice versa. If we are ever going to get a real movement off the ground for transgender rights, everyone has to work together, despite some minor differences.

Oh jeez, I should know better than to engage this eighty posts in…

“I do have to say, though, that all of your comments against herethestoryends (my good friend) were quite bigoted…”?  Exactly how do we stand up for ourselves against the adversity you acknowledge we suffer from if doing so labels us bigots? Clearly we’re just too ignorant to recognize what hurts us. Apparently that isn’t pain I feel, or something. 

“…in their assumptions that she doesn’t “understand what it’s like” and all of this other bullshit.”  Unless a person is trans, they *don’t* understand. Why is this so hard for people to acknowledge? There’s no shame in not understanding an experience you’ve never lived…by and large, there are a lot of things in this world you’re not going to understand. Get over it. And stop trying to explain our lives to us. Also, really cool of you to characterize something painful and meaningful to trans people as “bullshit”.

“And I will use the term “sexist” as a blanket term for anyone who hates a certain gender, not made up “politically correct” terms.” Apparently we don’t get to have words and define our struggles on our terms, we can only use yours. Even when what we go through is distinctly different. Controlling the language means controlling the conversation, which in this case means silencing trans voices.

“All she wanted to be able to do was share her educated opinion…”  Which from what I can tell amounts to thinking Lady GaGa’s gender essentialism is “cute”. Trans people are the experts about trans people. When a cis person and a trans person disagree about trans stuff, the trans person is going to be right. It’s a basic, self-evident fact…so totally obvious it shouldn’t even bear mentioning. But I’ll probably have to mention it a half dozen more times anyway.

“Do not for even one second believe that your experience of discrimination and hate is isolated and completely unique to you”? I was fired from a job of 14 years because my employers couldn’t find a place for me to pee. Don’t talk to me about unique.

And since you mentioned “isolated”, maybe you don’t understand how isolating it is for cis people to constantly explain to you about how wrong you are, even when talking about things you’ve personally experienced. In fact, I’m certain you don’t understand that. Hint: It’s pretty fucking isolating.

“If we are ever going to get a real movement off the ground for transgender rights…”? Ummmm, we? There’ll never be a real movement for transgender rights that isn’t led by transgender people. Everyone else gets it wrong. If you actually care, you and your friends will practice listening and trusting and actually acting on the things we delineate as important to trans people, rather than cherry-picking just those things you want to get behind and getting defensive about those parts of cis culture you happen to like and want to protect.

“…everyone has to work together…”? Working together is fine but part of that has to be acknowledging that trans people are the experts of their own lives. Working with us on these issues means hearing us, swallowing your pride, and admitting when you’re speaking out of your depth…not arguing with us for eighty reblogs about stuff we find important and then telling us we’re the ones acting in bad faith by being over-sensitive.

That’s a BINGO, no?

I find it fascinating that you continuously rip apart the posts of your supporters, then tell us that we’ll never understand you. Hm, wonder why? Hint: it’s nothing to do with your gender identity, but more your personality.

I’m sorry, but if the movement does not include the other members of the LGBTQ community (as I am one of them, even if you don’t believe me), then it will never get off the ground. If there’s “no shame” in not understanding what another person is going through, why did you spend the first posts constantly reiterating that we “didn’t understand”? Oh, and when you post things of this nature, expect a debate. Especially if it includes harassing my friend by throwing around false accusations of bigotry. Your concerns aren’t bullshit, by the way, if you had re-read that sentence you might have understood that I meant calling Deb a bigot was the aforementioned bull.
Also, the only person here telling anyone “their lives” is you. I sure as hell don’t know completely what your life is like, as well as you don’t what Deb or my lives are like. I’m not against trans people at all, and neither is she.
Controlling the language does not mean that you nor I control the conversation. It only fools you into thinking that it does. I’m sorry to seem like I was attacking the term, politically correct terms always fire me up. I honestly apologize for that.
I just want everyone in the LGBTQ community to know that at least one person wholeheartedly supports them. But you are turning this issue which not only consumes one section, but the community as a whole, into an issue that trans-gendered people alone will handle. It’s not fair to your fight, and certainly not to the full equality rights being fought for by LGBTQ that we all share. And I use the term “we” as in the LGBTQ-rights supporters, because we will always be there to support anyone else that belongs to this community. I personally want every single trans person to have the same rights and courtesies that everyone else in the world is given.

(Source: decentprojectile)

herethestoryends:

amydentata:

herethestoryends:

I am NOT a fucking bigot

When calling out cissexism, racism, sexism, take your pick, it is not about what the person IS. It’s about what they DID. It’s not about labeling the person, it’s about recognizing the damage their actions have caused.

Fine, except I took no other action except to question the accusation against Gaga based purely upon her set of first comments, while agreeing that her second were out of line. How exactly is that a bigoted action? If anything, I was being prejudiced against.

I’ve read all of the articles you’ve linked to. I don’t see how any of this is directly points to transphobia, actually it barely even hints to it. I believe that you all are reading too much into this, for fear of the LGBTQ (especially the transgered and gender queer members) community being attacked by bigots as it constantly is. Truly, though, not everyone wants to bring this community down, and you need to turn off the apparent sensitivity to those first comments. The second one was definitely out of line. I do have to say, though, that all of your comments against herethestoryends (my good friend) were quite bigoted in their assumptions that she doesn’t “understand what it’s like” and all of this other bullshit. She’s a huge supporter of everyone in the community, and is not a sexist by any stretch of the imagination. And I will use the term “sexist” as a blanket term for anyone who hates a certain gender, not made up “politically correct” terms. All of this unnecessary flaming of Deb’s (herethestoryends) character could be referred to as “making a mountain out of a molehill”, and it’s damn ridiculous. All she wanted to be able to do was share her educated opinion with everyone else’s, and you shot her down before even giving her a chance, all because of your preconceived notions that everyone who does not share your exact opinion on this matter is a bigot. And, though it is justifiable by the enormous amount of adversity any of you have had to go through, it just isn’t right. Do not for even one second believe that your experience of discrimination and hate is isolated and completely unique to you or the members of any community. Its severity is heightened immensely, true, but every single fucking human being has gone through something of this nature in their lives, and this experience makes us all connected. We should celebrate this, and “compare scars” (for lack of a better term), not to let everyone else know that life has been harder on us specifically, but to tell the other sufferers that they aren’t alone, even if their experience is drastically different and much less severe, also giving them some perspective on their own situation, and vice versa. If we are ever going to get a real movement off the ground for transgender rights, everyone has to work together, despite some minor differences.

(Source: decentprojectile)